Saturday, December 30, 2006

Sinners Prayer

I know someone who had 'down in life' people for Christmas Day dinner, they run a family, are full time carers, they nurse others, they would give anything and never ask for anything in return - yet they never did the 'sinners prayer'.

I know someone who would give nothing without expecting return, are selfish, care for nobody but themselves, seek to have power, position and prestige, not worrying who they oppress on the way - yet they did say the 'sinners prayer'.

Which one of these did right?


Shieldsy said...

That's an easy one ... the one who has asked put their faith in Christ. Their good deeds will have no bearing on judgement day.

Some Christians behave worse than non-Christians ... CS Lewis deals with all that brilliantly in "Mere Christianity".

Rock in the Grass said...

That's easy???
not really. I suspect that Matthew's Gospel Ch 25 suggests that this has nothing to do with trusting Jesus at all. It has everything to do with feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and visiting those in prison. I find very little in this "judgement narrative" about correct beliefs, and everything about loving actions.

Anonymous said...

Just as God "knows the heart" (Ac 15:8) our ears hear this wonderful confession, believing it to be true. Sometimes it remains a lip profession which results in missing heaven by 45.72 cm.- the distance from the brain to the heart. Only He knows, whereby we are reduced to prayer for their progressive sanctification - and our own.

Dave as doc.

shieldsy said...

Yes, if you choose to look at that passage (the 3rd in a series of judgement stories ... the wise & foolish virgins, the talents, the sheep & goats) it is all about your deeds. However the meta-narrative of scripture is all about faith, and in particular who you put your faith in.

Putting your faith in good deeds is probably the most common misunderstanding of the gospel and is what will condemn a lot of people to hell.

How "good" you are will matter diddly-squat on judgement day.

Anonymous said...

A heads-up on the Exclusive Brethern

There is a relatively quiet but extremely dangerous group of religious fruitcakes known as the Exclusive Brethren – isn’t that just the kind of name they’d give themselves? – who are starting to attempt to influence politics, particularly in Australia and New Zealand (but are also oozing up in Sweden, Canada, and the United States). They have a web site, but have tended to keep a low profile, and have suppressed dissent. Like most of these holier-than-thou extreme religious groups, they have an enormously complicated history of rifts and sects, but the main group (called Taylorites) is headed by a Sydney businessman named Bruce David Hales, who they call – I kid you not! – the Elect Vessel (and definitely not the Erect Vassal – I wonder if he wears a huge phallic fancy hat like such religious leaders usually get to wear). From Wikipedia:

“The Taylorites are a separatist Christian group whose current leader is Australian businessman Bruce David Hales, known to them as the Elect Vessel and the Man of God. Followers maintain a strict code of conduct so that they associate only with other followers and avoid activities such as watching television, listening to radio, using the internet, membership of professional or other associations, or voting. They practice separation from the world in its strictest form among brethren generally, and will not eat or drink with those not in the fellowship. Those who have departed from or been excommunicated by them are mostly ostracised, although business activities between members and those not under discipline (excommunicated) are allowed.”

Luckily they don’t associate with those lesser mortals not in the group, and can’t use the internet (they must look at their web site printed on a vellum scroll), so they’ll never be aware of this posting (if they find out about it, they are going straight to hell!).

They are buying up advertising attacking the Green Party in Australia (the Greens are fighting back), and have allegedly hired private detectives to try to dig up dirt on New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark (a ploy which backfired badly). As with all fruitcake sects, they appear to have at least a minor pedophilia problem.

Should we be surprised that the worst people in the world always seem to gravitate to the most sanctimonious fruitcake cults? In case you want to spend your money elsewhere, Wikipedia lists some of the businesses owned by these creeps (list is limited to Australia; we need a world-wide list).


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