Friday, September 15, 2006


In his speech at Regensburg University, the German-born Pope explored the historical and philosophical differences between Islam and Christianity, and the relationship between violence and faith.

Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

The emperor's words were, he said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Sheikh Youssef al-Qardawi, a prominent Muslim cleric in Qatar, rejected the Pope's comments, in remarks reported by Reuters.

"Muslims have the right to be angry and hurt by these comments from the highest cleric in Christianity," Mr Qardawi reportedly said...full story here

Pope benedict certainly is the highest cleric in Christianity, shame Jesus said it was about being the lowest.


dinsy said...

The original article has the Vatican saying the Pope had not intended to offend Muslims. "It is clear that the Holy Father's intention is to cultivate a position of respect and dialogue towards other religions and cultures"

If that is the Pope trying to cultivate respect, I would hate to hear him when he is trying to cause offence.

Shieldsy said...

Is the Islamic community quick to take offence? Are they hypocritical? Are they reactionary? Do they like to take things out of context? Is the Pope catholic?

dinsy said...

Calling someone's religion "evil and inhuman" sounds pretty offensive to me. If the Pope doesn't believe it, why is he quoting it?

Anyway, whatever. Have a nice quiet time over the next two weeks folks, I'm on holiday. Dave, nothing too controversial while I'm away please - I'd hate to miss out on a good argument ooops, meant debate :-)

Dave said...

Have a good holiday, I promise nothing controversial, now for that post on the results of the 'which is the best church in Scotland' survey!

Shieldsy said...

The pope didn't say those things ... he was referring to things others have said in the course of history. He was emphatic about making sure people knew it was a quote, and it was in the context of a talk of the concept of Holy War.

Of course in order to prove how offended they are at being accused of being evil & inhuman they will probably start burning images of the pope, bombing churches etc.

Dave said...

Seems odd to quote something you don't believe, unless you prefix it in someway. If Benedict was trying to cultivate respect and dialogue it was not a good way to do it.

I don't think Islam is alone in being hypocritical, reactionary and taking things out of context, I know other religions like that.

Shieldsy said...

"I don't think Islam is alone in being hypocritical, reactionary and taking things out of context, I know other religions like that."

Everyone's guilty of it to some degree, but Islam is in a league of it's own. Imagine if the Phelps ("God hates Fags") were mainstream evangelival then you have some idea of 'moderate' Islam.

I think the pope would have well within his right to say those things about Islam without the pretext of quoting someone from 600 years ago. Almost makes you want to become RC!

Anonymous said...

Well folks, the Pope did speak "old words" from Emperor Manual II Paleologos,whose last name means exactly that.

I was amazed at the number of offended Muslims who believed he wrote it. Language barrier?

Benedict must have been aware of the potential for turning the Vatican into an international airport - it may be small, but it does stand out in the neighborhood - hard to miss.

He is too young to be senile isn't he?


confused said...

Dinsey,How would you,with wisdom and insight cultivate respect among muslims or other religions and cultures?

Dave said...

Dinsy is away for two weeks, please do not post anon

Shieldsy said...

Slightly off topic...

Your "no anonymous posts" thing Dave, not quite sure what it means. "Dinsy" is just as anonymous as "Confused", or "Dave" or even as a blogger name really. So why the rule, and what eactly do you mean by anonymous ... unidentifable by you, simply unnamed, ... ?

Just wondering?


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