Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Perfect Church - Fact or Fiction

Would be interested to know what elements would make the 'perfect church' for you, what are the crucial elements needed within a fellowship? Is it music style, seating, location, or are there deeper less noticeable elements like unity, brotherhood, selflessness etc. Comments please...

8 comments:

Simon Varwell said...

I imagine the perfect church would be a combination of what we want (which will generally be the tangible stuff such as how we like our music, preaching, seats, etc) and what God wants (the sincerity, belief and so on).

Though if we get our way too much, it could end up being a "me-church" - see http://www.ignitermedia.com/mechurch.asp

Brian Robertson said...

The will be done on earth as it is in heaven?

The perfect church

Or purrfect church after the recent blog

PeterinScotland said...

Ummmm... no sinners in it?

Speaking of perfection, the Puritan book we just reprinted in facsimile form, John Ball's A Treatise of the Covenant of Grace has quite a few pages on what it means to be perfect. Comes to a different conclusion to the Wesleyan viewpoint, but it's quite startling the way Ball presents the reader with so many verses from throughout the Bible that speak of the believer's requirement for perfection/integrity.

See www.peterreynoldsbooks.com

dinsy said...

If the believer is required to be perfect, I guess I may as well quit now. Or do you/John Ball mean perfect in the after-life? Which are these verses which require perfection of a believer, and how do they fit in with Paul's passages on how we continue to sin even though we don't want to?

Dave said...

There is a doctrine that holds that a believer can reach sinless perfection whilst on earth, sanctification acheived, I cannot hold to this doctrine from my reading of the various bible texts, but maybe there is someone viewing the blog who thinks this is possible and would be willing to explain how this is reached?

dinsy said...

BTW, i forgot to comment on the original post. I don't think you can get a perfect church, but the sort of church I would seek out would be one where members confessed their sins one to another, bore each others burdens, shared each others joys, opened their hearts to one another on their struggles, what they were learning, how they were growing etc. One where you can discuss any teaching with the one teaching it. One where people take responsibilities for their actions. Where gifts are recognised and fostered. I could go on.

It would be nice to have good singing (I would rather none than bad), I would need comfortable seats with good back support or the freedom to take my own (don't really care how they are arranged).
Also, would be nice if it had hypoallergenic cats as members too.

I suppose I am talking about a church where the people seek to love each other as themselves.
Question: is it possible to do that, and not to love God?

Shieldsy said...

Hmmm ... my mind was racing when I started to think about this. But I got some clarity when I started thinking of the answer to a similar question ... "what sort of company would I like to work for?"

Alastair said...

Perfect Church seems to me to be involved in loving God with heart, soul, strength and mind, and loving God as we love ourselves...

Unpack that as you will!

 

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